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Post by Rich on Jul 8, 2015 10:06:09 GMT
I wouldn't particularly say that the evening turn out was spectacular, it may be perhaps to remind ourselves that there was such a high turnout due to the fact of unhappy residents due to uninformed constant plan changes and the misleading stories to encourage those to buy properties here at waverley. Duncan's response was very much of a sales behaviour and was not in my opinion interested in working together to create solutions to ensure this community remains strong. For these meetings to remain successful residents must be able to influence and also accept and compromise with developers. I will reiterate that I am bewildered to accept the reason behind having the 'heart of the community' on the major link road being high field springs, this being 180 seconds from morrisons. We will see an increase in traffic with those who are not part of the community using another major supermarket store that will impact the image and general feel of the community. So where should the heart of the community be?
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Post by richardlisa on Jul 8, 2015 12:02:03 GMT
I wouldn't particularly say that the evening turn out was spectacular, it may be perhaps to remind ourselves that there was such a high turnout due to the fact of unhappy residents due to uninformed constant plan changes and the misleading stories to encourage those to buy properties here at waverley. Duncan's response was very much of a sales behaviour and was not in my opinion interested in working together to create solutions to ensure this community remains strong. For these meetings to remain successful residents must be able to influence and also accept and compromise with developers. I will reiterate that I am bewildered to accept the reason behind having the 'heart of the community' on the major link road being high field springs, this being 180 seconds from morrisons. We will see an increase in traffic with those who are not part of the community using another major supermarket store that will impact the image and general feel of the community. So where should the heart of the community be? [ Where would you like it Rich?
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Post by Rich on Jul 8, 2015 12:11:24 GMT
So where should the heart of the community be? [ Where would you like it Rich? Where it is currently planned (on the land where the playground is). I don't see any alternative. Anywhere that is not visible from the main road will make it less appealing to anyone wanting to bring their business here. Duncan said at the meeting that he'd spoken to supermarkets about the original location deep within the estate and they weren't interested. From the reaction at the meeting I would say most people were in favour of the location. In fact I only heard one person oppose it. Maybe that was dd.
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Post by Rich on Jul 8, 2015 12:13:59 GMT
Another point, I don't think 'heart of the community' is the right phrase for what is more commonly known as the local centre. I don't even really know what heart of the community means.
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Post by chris1983 on Jul 8, 2015 12:33:54 GMT
Duncan said at the meeting that he'd spoken to supermarkets about the original location deep within the estate and they weren't interested. Exactly, to the comments about the new proposed location meaning that any shops would not just serve the Waverley estate but near by areas to, this is the whole point! no business would survive being tucked away in the middle of a housing estate, it has to be somewhere, where it is easily accessible to all, including those on the AMP and surrounding areas. The Winter green pub would struggle if it banned anyone that did not have an S60 8** postcode, this business too relies on passing trade as well yet there was no objection to this being on the edge of the estate or that people from surrounding areas also visit it, so why should a supermarket, convenience store or anything else be any different. They are all businesses just trying to provide a service and make a profit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:22:07 GMT
I couldnt make the meeting but was anything said about whats going on the land previously proposed for the local centre? Im assuming Housing? Is the plan changing from a Tesco Express type store to a Supermarket? On some plans Ive seen there were loads of ammenities planned on the local centre such as laundrette, library, cafe bars, post office, small police station etc ... are these going to happen? If so, in the new location or where they said previously?
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Post by spencer1992 on Jul 8, 2015 13:30:29 GMT
The local centre is proposed for what you said anonymous. But the "supermarket" is apparently like an also size? So not massive, probabably convenient.
Can't remember what they said about the land opposite "the strip" You missed a good meeting, very interesting.
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Post by richardlisa on Jul 8, 2015 13:34:54 GMT
To be fair I would like the supermarket where they want to put and we live at that end of bradfield way. I am also not interested in how high they build the Barrett flats as I won't be able to see them. One thing I have noticed on this forum is the little gangs who jump in to help each other' but then get on their high horse when someone goes against them. Rich you even moaned about traffic in Tinsley with the new IKEA? I also agree with Chris, we live in a field in Rotherham and people should also realise this. The dreams of small shops where nobody goes are never going to happen, can we all stop the moaning and clever comments and let Harworth get on with it because not matter what we say they will do as they see fit to make profit just like any other business would do. Rant over....
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Post by Rich on Jul 8, 2015 13:44:28 GMT
To be fair I would like the supermarket where they want to put and we live at that end of bradfield way. I am also not interested in how high they build the Barrett flats as I won't be able to see them. One thing I have noticed on this forum is the little gangs who jump in to help each other' but then get on their high horse when someone goes against them. Rich you even moaned about traffic in Tinsley with the new IKEA? I also agree with Chris, we live in a field in Rotherham and people should also realise this. The dreams of small shops where nobody goes are never going to happen, can we all stop the moaning and clever comments and let Harworth get on with it because not matter what we say they will do as they see fit to make profit just like any other business would do. Rant over.... Looks like you've just had one massive moan about people moaning. I was hardly moaning about ikea. I put an angry smiley and was then asked my opinion to which I responded. Then again I don't see what relevance this has to anything.
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Post by dd on Jul 8, 2015 14:14:19 GMT
Is a 2min drive to morrisons not convenient enough for business and the housing estate There is no need for another supermarket!! 12000 foot store isnt exactly a small convenience store, again we were all given false knowledge when buying in the area, we were told of a lovely lake side cafe and shops etc, we'll just see whether its still so appealing with the increase in traffic in rush hour! The 'heart of the community' is what Duncan constantly referred too! I do not care regarding local businesses, My concerns are the impact itll have on the value of my property and the overall feel of the community! everyone was upset regarding the level of the 4 storey flats they will have viewed from their homes, how about having a 12000 foot supermarket viewed from your window surely you would feel the same then? at the end of the day, we are all in the same boat! we all want this community to work and anything that happens in this community whether on your doorstep or not, the ripple effect will get to us all! we are just small fish in a very large pond and our opinions and concerns mean nothing!
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Post by Matt on Jul 8, 2015 14:42:23 GMT
Very interesting reading all the comments and thank you to everyone for sharing. Just to give my two penneth on a few of the points:
The Barratt's apartments - agree at the grievance people are feeling and I know if I were living across from those I wouldn't be a happy bunny. I lived on the top floor of just a two storey apartment building and it was overlooking people's back gardens. I won't lie but I felt their pain.
The through road on Highfield Lane - I was aware that the road would eventually link back down to Orgreave Road at Catcliffe before I even started looking at buying on there. Some people's comments around people potentially using it as a 'rat run' seem a bit strange. Are you expecting Waverley to be cut off from the rest of existence with no passers by allowed? That's what roads were invented for, to link places together.
The local centre or 'heart of the community' as it keeps getting referred to as - Where it's being proposed seems like a win win for me. A win for the businesses as they get passing trade, and a win for us because we won't end up with hundreds of cars passing through the estate every day.
I'm trying to look at all this in perspective and without the rose tinted glasses. But in my opinion Waverley is a up and coming, thriving community. I think the location will always mean house prices will be higher, which I think will keep it as one of the more desirable areas to live in.
Watch this space though, I've just moved in at the bottom of the Taylor Wimpey development near the new Barratt development, currently overlooking a large hole in the ground. Who knows what will end up there, so I may end up eating humble pie...
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Post by davsur on Jul 8, 2015 15:05:21 GMT
Apologies if I've missed it scanning through but any update on the green spaces at all?
I've seen threads on ball games etc and agree kids need somewhere bigger to play.
Cheers.
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Post by teddyowner on Jul 8, 2015 15:39:25 GMT
Does anyone really think that a unit the same size as the Aldi at Handsworth will be taken by any of the major retailers? Too small for a big store, too big for a Tesco express/Sainsburys local. It's just a drawing board proposal that will probably go through half a dozen re draughts before it sees the light of day or gets redrawn as a number of smaller retail units. The traffic from approx 80 parking spaces( as at Handsworth) will be minuscule in the grand scheme of a 4000 home estate. Anyone expecting "boutique" shops will have to close their eyes as they drive past Greggs, Costa coffee, Subway and KFC because that's the reality of the type of businesses who will be moving on there to service passing trade and the AMRC Not saying that's good or bad just what I think will happen based on this kind of development I've seen all over the country.
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Post by davsur on Jul 8, 2015 15:53:00 GMT
I moved here from the new development at Manvers, there's a Harron site there as well as others. I would expect something similar, small shops - Greggs, Machine Mart, Subway, Dominos, a small cafe etc. there a larger KFC that also houses costa coffee and an aldi near to the Marstons pub (bluebell). There's also a lake with a cafe and there's water sports and running clubs, sailing, open water swimming etc. It seems the blueprint has been lifted for Waverley. There's a football field, cricket field, bowling green, skate park and rugby field ( with shed loads of dog waste bins :-) ) There's also a Holiday Inn too......
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Post by winterfell on Jul 8, 2015 16:28:59 GMT
I moved here from the new development at Manvers, there's a Harron site there as well as others. I would expect something similar, small shops - Greggs, Machine Mart, Subway, Dominos, a small cafe etc. there a larger KFC that also houses costa coffee and an aldi near to the Marstons pub (bluebell). There's also a lake with a cafe and there's water sports and running clubs, sailing, open water swimming etc. It seems the blueprint has been lifted for Waverley. There's a football field, cricket field, bowling green, skate park and rugby field ( with shed loads of dog waste bins :-) ) There's also a Holiday Inn too...... I don't object to any of the concepts or shops and have always been excited to see how these things developed. Equally not bothered about what shops etc and will welcome the jobs and growth that this will bring. Again though it's about balance and location. It they aren't in the right place it will ruin the fabric of Waverley. I would prefer to see the land as you enter the site to be used as playing fields but know this isn't likely because it doesn't make money. That said, it has to be used in a way that meets our expectations and the local growth agenda.
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