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Post by alison on Jul 6, 2015 23:22:49 GMT
Thanks Bish. I met councillor Hughes tonight and he did offer to help. I'm going to appeal and hopefully I have enough information to put forward a good case for the school my son wants to reconsider. We've taken out another mortgage ( after being mortgage free for 2 years) to get him away from the school he currently attends and he definitely isn't going back there ever again. It's just the hassle of appealing that is irritating me, everything seems to be a fight at the moment.
Which school did you choose in the end?
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Post by chris1983 on Jul 6, 2015 23:39:01 GMT
Ok,
So firstly forgive me if this upsets anyone, I've been on the go or 20hours so a bit tired so I apologise in advanced.
But seriously what did people expect was going to happen moving to a development with a planned 4k homes in a relatively small area? I can fully understand that those closely effected by the propose flats have a right to complain. the master plan says 3story max for that area and I really do hope that these plans are scaled back to that. If they do, this automatically gives a few more parking spaces. 42 spaces for 30 flats is better than 42 for 42.
High field lane has been on the cards as a link road for before we decided to move here well over a year ago so should not come as a surprise. Yes some will use it as a rat run but if the right traffic calming measures are in place then most won't.
People want shops in the area and they have been proposed, yet still we complain?? the location makes sense, no business owner would want their business stuck in the middle of a housing estate where there is no passing trade. Overheads need to be met, so unless everyone on here is saying they would happily pay £5 for a loaf of bread businesses need to attract other passing trade. That's how businesses work and survive, that dirty word called profit.
I will admit I wouldn't be to happy with a fast food drive through in the proposed commercial area or anywhere else on the estate, just for the litter and the smell. But some as a few people have already said some nice small food outlets would be good, but the location has to be right for it to pay.
The green space waiting on the outcome of HS2 is a bit of pain but has a back up plan been put in place? Would be good to know if it has, if not then yes this would not be good for the area....
The un developed area between the barratts site and high field spring is still ear marked for housing as per the master plan. Hopefully this will remain true to plan and I'm sure we will all keep a close eye on the plans and makes sure.
Howarth and barratts have taken the time to listen and hopefully they will take on board the comments as it's not a good feeling to feel that you've wasted your breath. But I also think that some people need to take a bit of a reality check. this is Rotherham, not paradise island or land of utopia, it's a massive brown field redevelopment to fit in nearly 4k homes, that means infrastructure, traffic, etc. doesn't stop it being a great place to live though...
Just my thoughts.....
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Post by spencer1992 on Jul 7, 2015 0:38:17 GMT
It is a great place to live already.
Tonight was helpful in only a few way, and that was to meet some of the people living around us.
It was good that barratt have sent people out to come and "listen" but I'm afraid that all I Rekon they will do. They'll probabaly go back to the office tomorrow and say everyone was okay with the plans now and it should all go ahead. No one knows what feedback they will take with them.
It was nice however that people care. It may be rotherham, but why does that mean it has to become like every other place? As I said a few times to Duncan, it's just such a shame that they've had chance to start from scratch, and have the potential to make it great.
The plans are very flexible apparently, and chance constantly to suit the demand?? Flats aren't really a problem I don't think? It will attract a wider range or people which will make a nicer community. However, I think what is upsetting people is the constant bull that we keep getting fed, and the constant changing of plans. The lack of parking and visitor parking and the fact that actually even as a community were powerless.
The people that turned up tonight to show support probabaly will be contesting the plans. But it's sad that nothing probabaly will get done. What does it take?
I like the idea for the community centre and do think it's position is better, as it's in the middle of the houses and the buisness park. Even tho there is a Morrison round the corner a smaller shop probabaly would do really well here.
I do think when people move to a new estate they expect to have houses left right and centre. It's just such a drastic change from phase 1.
I was also shocked to hear that behind all the houses barrats are planning all the parking, which include rows of garages! Apparebtly harworth think this will be a nice community feeling area, where you'll stop off and say hello to neighbours.
Just my opinion but, a back street with garages and hundreds of cars probabaly no street lamps because there are no pavements as it's a block paved areas, will just result in everyone's cars been nicked without anyone seeing.
Overall it was an interesting evening ....
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Post by dave on Jul 7, 2015 5:12:15 GMT
Couldn't agree more with Chris above, we went for principally for the presentation from Duncan, it was nice to meet him and he came across very well, when at times he received a barrage! We love living here, I'd people don't want to then go someone else!
I cannot wait to see how the development develops and Duncan seemed to genuinely care about what happens on here.
A train station into Sheffield on the existing line would be the icing on the cake.
I really don't know who some people think they are.
Thanks Duncan for being so informative and I would look forward to future presentations if you decide to do anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 5:59:48 GMT
I think its unfair to say people need to get a reality check & stating that "I dont know who some people think they are and move somewhere else (I think thats what they meant)".
Who said they dont want to live here ... I currently love living here but said plans will affect my attitude on that.
I mentioned we were thinking about moving as we were told a school would be built this year by the sales office when we purchased, now its at 750 homes?. This affects us.
I dont fancy a large supermarket on the estate across from my house, Morrisons is already ideal. Is this as an addition to the tesco express type building? With 4000 planned homes and a central Tesco Express type building in the middle of the estate, surely thats enough for trade ... Ive seen Tesco Express in smaller villages than Waverley being very successful.
Theres many a thing thats not materialised as promised by sales as yet. We fell for the Utopian vision, obviouslly I didnt expect a real Utopia, its a play on words ... some people take comments too literal :S
Everyone has a story, an oppinion and something that motivated them to move here and when said plans change which directly affect them then yes if they want to they can move, no-ones going to move because you suggested so! It was my harmless oppinion about no-one but myself.
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Post by bags84 on Jul 7, 2015 6:53:30 GMT
Thank you all for the update would have come along but other commitments meant I couldn't.
Quite interested by the undeveloped piece of land between Barratt and Highfield spring. When looking at TW we were told not sure what was going there as sewage pipes run along that area.
Agree a smaller shop would be best, am sure that Morrisons would object to having a competitor so close.
Are any more of these sessions planned as would be good to have a regular update on plans as websites seem to be very outdated now.
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Post by dw90 on Jul 7, 2015 7:14:59 GMT
I think I would firstly highlight that in my opinion that Duncan was not helpful nor does he have the residents interest at heart. For Duncan and his colleagues last night it was a tick box exercise, each issue was raised, we were presented with what his thoughts were not facts or solutions to resolve our fears ! For anyone that can't see a difference between the height of a four storey flat to a three is questionable and the impact that this has on local residents who invested in a property after being miss lead by all those representing this development is ignorant ! These constant change of plans is becoming a joke especially when you place trust in what is being said by those representing the development prior to buying !
Although this is Rotherham it does not mean that we create a poor reputation and instead develop waverly as the most desirable place in rotherham to live and bring up our children. This is rotherham councils opportunity to change for the better.
My issue with a convenient store for me has frustrated me once again! The plans that were sold to us was to have some small shops around the lake! Last time that I checked an Aldi or tesco metro was not a convenient store and less than 2min by car there already exists a morrisons (timed in my car this morning) to have a ' heart of the community ' slap bang in the front of the housing estate so close to an existing community store in my opinion serves those who work on the industrial estate only as I could not imagine that the current 347 residents would have expected what was promised, a green area to separate the industrial units from housing, but instead we'll enter the estate by looking at a supermarket and car parking that would serve not only the residents in waverley but the surrounding areas too as it's slap bang in the middle of the main rd ! For some of us this was a dream and wanted nothing more than to have a home that is safe and to be proud of which isn't cluttered with supermarkets, car parking and terrible traffic!
I would suggest Duncan and co act on the voices of the residents before it's too late and the so called master plan is nothing but a vision as the people on Waverley will no doubt put potential buyers off from ever buying these for ever increasing houses! Thanks
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Post by spencer1992 on Jul 7, 2015 7:33:36 GMT
One other main thing that was kept on coming up was how flexible plans were.
Why can't they be flexible when everyone affected wants it changed or better parking facilities?
I don't think that people's comments towards Duncan throughout his presentation last night were unfair as ultimately he is the one responsible for how well waverley is going to work. So i guess he's the one who has to hear it. I'm sure if everyone were having flats built on their street with not enough parking and garages behind houses with probabaly no lighting then you'd be exactly the same.
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Post by Rich on Jul 7, 2015 9:44:38 GMT
I appreciate that there's a lot of emotion going on here and understandably so but to label Harworth & Barratt as 'not caring' or using it as a "tick box exercise" is unfair and untrue. Both companies had very little to gain and a lot to lose from last night and I'm personally grateful to both of them for taking the time and effort to present to us.
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Post by spencer1992 on Jul 7, 2015 12:40:21 GMT
i think thats accurate. yes that there is alot of emotion. barratt didnt have to do the consultation evening, but think its true that barratt dont really care about what residents think.
im sure everyone one is very greatful, and wed be more greatful if comments were taken into consideration.
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Post by nowait on Jul 7, 2015 13:18:25 GMT
I appreciate that there's a lot of emotion going on here and understandably so but to label Harworth & Barratt as 'not caring' or using it as a "tick box exercise" is unfair and untrue. Both companies had very little to gain and a lot to lose from last night and I'm personally grateful to both of them for taking the time and effort to present to us. I think time will tell, Barrett responded to emailed concerns with an evening to discuss the proposed plans, which they did not have to do. However if the plans that were commented on last night are the ones that they submit to the council then that in itself will be pretty conclusive. In my opinion, Duncan got a bit of a raw deal last night. Alot of things regarding the flats etc are totally out of his hands. And while its nice that he can empathize, I also felt he fielded questions really well. Is there anything in place for like a residents update from Harworth? Even if it was once every 2 months, I think a presentation on recent developments would allow the residents to keep up to date and possibly propose their views and ideas. It would be useful if the developers told potential buyers about it too. Just a thought. One thing that I have mentioned a few times and will re-iterate is that obviously something is going right. The turn out last night was pretty spectacular in my opinion. 30 odd people I would guess. From my point of view, regardless of what they build, there really is a community on the estate! 5 weeks and counting until I officially move onto the estate!!! Cant come soon enough, even though I will be able to see the Barrett 4 floor flats outside my lounge! |
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Post by Rich on Jul 7, 2015 14:43:49 GMT
I appreciate that there's a lot of emotion going on here and understandably so but to label Harworth & Barratt as 'not caring' or using it as a "tick box exercise" is unfair and untrue. Both companies had very little to gain and a lot to lose from last night and I'm personally grateful to both of them for taking the time and effort to present to us. I think time will tell, Barrett responded to emailed concerns with an evening to discuss the proposed plans, which they did not have to do. However if the plans that were commented on last night are the ones that they submit to the council then that in itself will be pretty conclusive. In my opinion, Duncan got a bit of a raw deal last night. Alot of things regarding the flats etc are totally out of his hands. And while its nice that he can empathize, I also felt he fielded questions really well. Is there anything in place for like a residents update from Harworth? Even if it was once every 2 months, I think a presentation on recent developments would allow the residents to keep up to date and possibly propose their views and ideas. It would be useful if the developers told potential buyers about it too. Just a thought. One thing that I have mentioned a few times and will re-iterate is that obviously something is going right. The turn out last night was pretty spectacular in my opinion. 30 odd people I would guess. From my point of view, regardless of what they build, there really is a community on the estate! 5 weeks and counting until I officially move onto the estate!!! Cant come soon enough, even though I will be able to see the Barrett 4 floor flats outside my lounge! I don't know about future events. I'm not sure that last night did anything to encourage any but I can't speak for Duncan/Harworth. I believe representatives from Harworth will be present at the Winter Green birthday weekend for one to one chats. |
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Post by spencer1992 on Jul 7, 2015 15:42:45 GMT
I guess the difficult thing about last night was that the majority of people there were interested in just the barrats application.
If it was a night just for waverley I'd imagine loads more people would come and the questions wouldn't be as awkward for them to be answered.
I think he said him self, that he was hijacking the evening. It was great to see the history and the outlines plans but it was mainly for the barratt planning application. Hence why a lot of the questions probabaly came across aggressive.
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Post by kadypants on Jul 7, 2015 18:35:44 GMT
It sounds like an interesting discussion anyway and I only wish I could've been there to hear it first hand.
Thank you all for sharing updates and your views on the evening.
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Post by dd on Jul 7, 2015 19:25:27 GMT
I wouldn't particularly say that the evening turn out was spectacular, it may be perhaps to remind ourselves that there was such a high turnout due to the fact of unhappy residents due to uninformed constant plan changes and the misleading stories to encourage those to buy properties here at waverley. Duncan's response was very much of a sales behaviour and was not in my opinion interested in working together to create solutions to ensure this community remains strong. For these meetings to remain successful residents must be able to influence and also accept and compromise with developers. I will reiterate that I am bewildered to accept the reason behind having the 'heart of the community' on the major link road being high field springs, this being 180 seconds from morrisons. We will see an increase in traffic with those who are not part of the community using another major supermarket store that will impact the image and general feel of the community.
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