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Post by damon on Jun 14, 2015 22:40:14 GMT
Press could name and shame haha ! I wouldn't let it put you off tho ! I'm so happy with my house and so far am so proud to say I love in waverley! It always has positive comments about it! What I did like about the plans is that it showed the "areas" of waverley! It looks like the waterside area is going ahead. And there was a few gaps in there for green space. But yeah I'm sure harworth would hate it if no one wanted to buy on here! They should be keeping us sweet to spread the word ! It does have a lot of positives, I know a few that live on here and love it, I'm sure our hearts will rule our head's and we'll still go ahead. The lakeside area sounds very exciting. I'll still be objecting the height of the flats all the way. |
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Post by nightowl on Jun 14, 2015 23:16:18 GMT
You can only contest it with the council ... However, despite (what I believe) was a strong case from those of us contesting Harron from practically building a brick wall of 3 storey houses against already existing 2 storey houses, the planning was still passed by the council ... No surprise there! Harworth, the builders and the council are all in bed together ... Harworth get a tonne of money from the builders, the builders get a tonne of money from the buyers, the council get a tonne of money also from the buyers from council tax then Harworth again get a tonne of money from the buyers from service charges. I'm just worried all these said plans of a Waverley Utopia aren't just a sales tactic ... So far it seems that way!! I feel for you not wanting those houses, but with my realistic head on, new estates consist of 2 and 3 storey houses, mixed together, and there are plenty around this very estate already, so although it's not what was wanted by some, I can see why it would get approved... I wish it had not for all you people who didn't want it. However, 4 storeys is another matter, with tons of cars and visitors, and massive buildings, far worse than 3 storey spaced out family homes, and many people have bought around them without any warning they were coming.... regardless of people's opinions on the success rate of previous objections, people who have an issue with the plan should reject it and register their objections in my opinion... |
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Post by nightowl on Jun 14, 2015 23:24:24 GMT
You guys really think the house builders will give a monkey's? No way will they be bothered about a 5 way meeting. How do we know? Here is a thought.... haworth own the land.. The builders want to buy parcels of it... Haworth claim to care about the community... If the community want discussions which include the builders, then haworth, with their position as land owners (which is desired by the builders) could potentially "persuade" them to attend if they wanted too.. Well that's a possibility in my head... Could be wrong but only haworth can confirm back on that |
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Post by nightowl on Jun 14, 2015 23:26:53 GMT
Right, I've put my toys back in the pram and put my dummy back in. We have received a flyer through the door today asking for comments on Barratts proposed new phase fronting onto Highfield Lane between the end of the current Barratt contemporary phase and the Harron Hebdens that are in the process of being constructed. Part of this comprises 42 flats built in 2 blocks both of which are 4 storeys in height. Seems a bit sneaky when most of the houses that it will affect directly on the future Oakdene Way are currently still being built and won't be on the planning notification list yet, but people may have put deposits down or exchanged contracts with Harron already and be blissfully unaware of what Barratt are planning. Has the flyer gone round the whole estate or just down Highfield Lane and the nearby roads? Have I missed something? When did you lose your dummy and toys?! Glad you found them again!! |
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Post by teddyowner on Jun 14, 2015 23:50:25 GMT
Interesting that someone suggested that the builders,the council and Harworth all piss in the same pot. Harworth and Barratts have both used John R Paley to provide their plans. Funny how on the aspirational images that Harworth have used there isn't a four storey building in sight and the parking courtyards on Wensley Road and the new one being built by Harron on Oakdene Way are both similar to the image showing how it shouldn't be done on page 53 link |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 7:45:54 GMT
You can only contest it with the council ... However, despite (what I believe) was a strong case from those of us contesting Harron from practically building a brick wall of 3 storey houses against already existing 2 storey houses, the planning was still passed by the council ... No surprise there! Harworth, the builders and the council are all in bed together ... Harworth get a tonne of money from the builders, the builders get a tonne of money from the buyers, the council get a tonne of money also from the buyers from council tax then Harworth again get a tonne of money from the buyers from service charges. I'm just worried all these said plans of a Waverley Utopia aren't just a sales tactic ... So far it seems that way!! I feel for you not wanting those houses, but with my realistic head on, new estates consist of 2 and 3 storey houses, mixed together, and there are plenty around this very estate already, so although it's not what was wanted by some, I can see why it would get approved... I wish it had not for all you people who didn't want it. However, 4 storeys is another matter, with tons of cars and visitors, and massive buildings, far worse than 3 storey spaced out family homes, and many people have bought around them without any warning they were coming.... regardless of people's opinions on the success rate of previous objections, people who have an issue with the plan should reject it and register their objections in my opinion... "3 storey spaced out homes" ... did you see the plans? Its a brick wall of 3 storeys all crammed into a strip overlooking already existing houses with their 2nd floor rear living rooms ... the houses per hectare is also a much higher proportion than anywhere else on the estate thus far. We also purchased without any warning of this brick wall so I dont see any difference! I think its a bit of an exagerration with tons of visitors and their cars etc ... I cant see it being that much of an issue. The height is the bigger issue. |
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Post by spencer1992 on Jun 15, 2015 8:20:50 GMT
I think the size is one of the biggest issues ! On two corners as well. It'll look stupid/ there have been 3 storey houses on the estate for a while so it's not as strange I guess.
The parking is also a HUGE issue! The 3 storey houses hear for us, have parking for at least 2 cars some 3. The flats don't even have 1 ! So how will that work. Also the rest of the houses just have parking spaces instead of drives. It's a massive problem.
Good fine Teddyowner ! At least we could use that when objecting the planing aplocation. I'll also mention that to heather when I email again today !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 8:38:55 GMT
Interesting that someone suggested that the builders,the council and Harworth all piss in the same pot. Harworth and Barratts have both used John R Paley to provide their plans. Funny how on the aspirational images that Harworth have used there isn't a four storey building in sight and the parking courtyards on Wensley Road and the new one being built by Harron on Oakdene Way are both similar to the image showing how it shouldn't be done on page 53 linkPage 31 is interesting ... the document is dated March 2013. Purchasers on Bradfield Way were told that the land behind was to be green space. Looking at that illustration the land was earmarked for 3-4 storey all along ... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 9:03:56 GMT
I feel for you not wanting those houses, but with my realistic head on, new estates consist of 2 and 3 storey houses, mixed together, and there are plenty around this very estate already, so although it's not what was wanted by some, I can see why it would get approved... I wish it had not for all you people who didn't want it. However, 4 storeys is another matter, with tons of cars and visitors, and massive buildings, far worse than 3 storey spaced out family homes, and many people have bought around them without any warning they were coming.... regardless of people's opinions on the success rate of previous objections, people who have an issue with the plan should reject it and register their objections in my opinion... "3 storey spaced out homes" ... did you see the plans? Its a brick wall of 3 storeys all crammed into a strip overlooking already existing houses with their 2nd floor rear living rooms ... the houses per hectare is also a much higher proportion than anywhere else on the estate thus far. We also purchased without any warning of this brick wall so I dont see any difference! I think its a bit of an exagerration with tons of visitors and their cars etc ... I cant see it being that much of an issue. The height is the bigger issue. I think parking is more of an issue than you think. I just moved out of Middlewood Lodge in Sheffield which is a block of flats in the middle of a modern development. Luckily my block of flats had lots of space around it and was well away from the rest of the houses on the development because although there were only something like 36 flats with 36 allocated parking spaces and about 5 visitor spaces, the area around the flat was usually choc-a-block full of cars. It was gated too so all of these cars were from people either living there or visiting. Let's face it most modern families have two cars whether they live in a flat or a house. Parking will be a problem... |
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Post by spencer1992 on Jun 15, 2015 9:10:35 GMT
Interesting that someone suggested that the builders,the council and Harworth all piss in the same pot. Harworth and Barratts have both used John R Paley to provide their plans. Funny how on the aspirational images that Harworth have used there isn't a four storey building in sight and the parking courtyards on Wensley Road and the new one being built by Harron on Oakdene Way are both similar to the image showing how it shouldn't be done on page 53 linkPage 31 is interesting ... the document is dated March 2013. Purchasers on Bradfield Way were told that the land behind was to be green space. Looking at that illustration the land was earmarked for 3-4 storey all along ... That's very interesting. I think the area that harron are developing is showing 3-4 storeys but the area barrat want to use only says 3! I guess at least there isn't 4 storeys all the way behind bradfield way :/ |
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Post by spencer1992 on Jun 15, 2015 9:38:33 GMT
I'm not sure but it's on that page 31! I just can't devise whether it's in the 3-4 or 3 storey section !
I'm sure the area harron are developing is meant to be 3-4 then the one next to it which I think is barrat is 3 stprey
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 10:05:16 GMT
I think the size is one of the biggest issues ! On two corners as well. It'll look stupid/ there have been 3 storey houses on the estate for a while so it's not as strange I guess. The parking is also a HUGE issue! The 3 storey houses hear for us, have parking for at least 2 cars some 3. The flats don't even have 1 ! So how will that work. Also the rest of the houses just have parking spaces instead of drives. It's a massive problem. Good fine Teddyowner ! At least we could use that when objecting the planing aplocation. I'll also mention that to heather when I email again today ! Page 54 House Type Parking Requirements 1 or 2 bedrooms - 1 Parking Space per dwelling 3 or 4 bedrooms - 2 Parking spaces per dwelling Flats - 1 Parking Space per flat plus 50% allocated for visitors |
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Post by Rich on Jun 15, 2015 10:09:39 GMT
I think the size is one of the biggest issues ! On two corners as well. It'll look stupid/ there have been 3 storey houses on the estate for a while so it's not as strange I guess. The parking is also a HUGE issue! The 3 storey houses hear for us, have parking for at least 2 cars some 3. The flats don't even have 1 ! So how will that work. Also the rest of the houses just have parking spaces instead of drives. It's a massive problem. Good fine Teddyowner ! At least we could use that when objecting the planing aplocation. I'll also mention that to heather when I email again today ! Page 54 House Type Parking Requirements 1 or 2 bedrooms - 1 Parking Space per dwelling 3 or 4 bedrooms - 2 Parking spaces per dwelling Flats - 1 Parking Space per flat plus 50% allocated for visitors So you can only have visitors if they drive a Smart car! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 10:16:54 GMT
Yup ... 1 and half cars per flat  So there are 42 flats which should have a space each ... plus 50% for visitors. Is 50% saying there should be 21 extra spaces for these visitors? A total of 63 spaces? The next statement is a good one ... "Whilst the above guidelines are minimum requirements, consideration will be given to accepting • fewer spaces if it can be demonstrated that the site is in vicinity of good public transport links, public car parking, safe and convenient on street parking etc." Wonder if they are taking the proposed transport interchange into account if they do provide less than 63 spaces? Also what makes everyone think there is no parking, have we got the actual plans for the flats yet? .. Are all 4 floors flats or is 1st floor parking? |
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Post by teddyowner on Jun 15, 2015 11:20:31 GMT
Yup ... 1 and half cars per flat So there are 42 flats which should have a space each ... plus 50% for visitors. Is 50% saying there should be 21 extra spaces for these visitors? A total of 63 spaces? The next statement is a good one ... "Whilst the above guidelines are minimum requirements, consideration will be given to accepting • fewer spaces if it can be demonstrated that the site is in vicinity of good public transport links, public car parking, safe and convenient on street parking etc." Wonder if they are taking the proposed transport interchange into account if they do provide less than 63 spaces? Also what makes everyone think there is no parking, have we got the actual plans for the flats yet? .. Are all 4 floors flats or is 1st floor parking? I've asked JRP if they can give more details of the planned elevations but have not even received an acknowledgment of my request yet. The four storeys don't really affect me as they are quite a way from us as were the ones behind Bradfield Way. It's the constant changing of zoned areas and plans that gets to me. This is another phase of the development that they are proposing and still no sign of any of this mythical community hub that is always going to be in the next phase and is still no nearer to becoming a reality. There is an updated master plan for 2014 with a few tweaks on it but nothing major, I'll stick the link on when I get to a PC |
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