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Post by martin on Oct 15, 2016 8:51:16 GMT
Waverley Walk is apparently the 'spine of the Estate'. Running from AMRC through to the retail area, through to proper Waverley Walk and beyond. That's not what they told us. It was on some of the early masterplans but on the these plans there's no way they could link the two up without creating a load of confusion. This is what Duncan from Harworth told me yesterday at the consultation. I think it's more of a notional concept than it being a main thoroughfare. I.e. Amenities will be created and added around spine of the estate.
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Post by p99ull on Oct 15, 2016 8:53:18 GMT
I Anyone want to co-op a coffee shop with me Hmmm.... interesting idea, everyone could own a bit. A coffee shop from the people, for the people! 😀👍
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Post by rich on Oct 15, 2016 9:11:19 GMT
Did anyone else notice that the bit round the lake is now just going to be houses? Disappointed with that as it would have been nice to have something akin to Rother Valley down there in my humble opinion. Hmm, interesting as apparently roth council have recently omitted the allocation for a second local centre from their overall plan but harworth we're questioning this. Why would they remove this from their plans? Google rmbc harworth dransfield for the planning doc if you wish to view this.
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Post by reilwell on Oct 15, 2016 17:39:19 GMT
That's not what they told us. It was on some of the early masterplans but on the these plans there's no way they could link the two up without creating a load of confusion. This is what Duncan from Harworth told me yesterday at the consultation. I think it's more of a notional concept than it being a main thoroughfare. I.e. Amenities will be created and added around spine of the estate. The idea of a main thoroughfare is good and I'm fine with it. I'm just concerned that calling two parts of the estate that in no way link up is going to cause confusion.
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Post by nightowl on Oct 16, 2016 13:36:58 GMT
Did anyone else notice that the bit round the lake is now just going to be houses? Disappointed with that as it would have been nice to have something akin to Rother Valley down there in my humble opinion. Ill be gutted if they dont make a nice lakeside area like this... hoped there would be a few nice cafes and restaurants fronting on to it with nice views and a walk etc (assuming new hs2 route avoiding here sticks, or they cancel hs2 altogether)
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Post by Jenni on Oct 18, 2016 20:59:44 GMT
Thought it might be helpful to share this... . It was playing on loop in the room during the consultation so if you couldn't make it, take a look!
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Post by bwings66 on Oct 19, 2016 12:08:52 GMT
Looks good overall. But not a fan of the buses coming onto the estate...there's no need, its bad planning! (Besides I cannot see how Buses will get down Stephenson Way when the college students are parked on both sides of the road).
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Post by winterfell on Oct 19, 2016 15:44:49 GMT
Looks good overall. But not a fan of the buses coming onto the estate...there's no need, its bad planning! (Besides I cannot see how Buses will get down Stephenson Way when the college students are parked on both sides of the road). Buses,amrc and the service road all on Stephenson Way....thanks for that. Hoping fellow residents will all express that the service road won't work on Stephenson Way and that it will be a nightmare so the planners move it.
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Post by reilwell on Oct 19, 2016 16:22:52 GMT
Why is everyone so shocked at buses coming through the estate it's been on the masterplans from day one, there was even a park and ride planned at one point. As much as the service roads locations aren't ideal where would you suggest they put them instead.
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Post by winterfell on Oct 19, 2016 17:56:49 GMT
Why is everyone so shocked at buses coming through the estate it's been on the masterplans from day one, there was even a park and ride planned adt one point. As much as the service roads locations aren't ideal where would you suggest they put them instead. Facing the road, facing the winter green or facing the amrc...anywhere other than facing residents on the busiest road on the estate. And it's fine that the buses are coming in and i hope for a better service; I just think the amrc and the bus is a dangerous combination. The traffic up and down the road is constant and there's no traffic management or speed controls
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Post by reilwell on Oct 19, 2016 18:50:11 GMT
Don't think it would be practical to put entrances out on to highfield spring due the difference in level between the road and site. For one it would take a fair chunk of space to build a ramp down the banking and cost quite a bit two. Secondly it would mean slow lorry's pullong out onto a fast busy road which never ends well. Putting the service road opposite the winter green would cause conflict with the proposed carpark entrance meaning that would more than likely be moved potentially on to Stephenson but at least further down Mitchell therefore bringing visiting traffic further into the estate. The current shape of the development will also mean that the smaller service road will always have to be accessed from Stephenson. Like I said in my previous post the access from Stephenson way is far from ideal but may turn out to simply be the most practical. With the right restrictions in place be that be parking restrictions aimed at the uni and or times when deliveries are allowed which could be written into leases or by putting and over night weight limits on Mitchell and Stephenson things might not be the nightmare the first seam.
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Post by Rich on Oct 19, 2016 19:38:22 GMT
Yes a bus was always planned for Waverley but not on the road they are putting it on (Lescar Road) which is not really suitable. There are no bus stop lay-by's and the road is too narrow and already littered with parked cars. They've just not really thought it through or consulted with residents about the change of road.
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Post by reilwell on Oct 19, 2016 20:23:04 GMT
Yes a bus was always planned for Waverley but not on the road they are putting it on (Lescar Road) which is not really suitable. There are no bus stop lay-by's and the road is too narrow and already littered with parked cars. They've just not really thought it through or consulted with residents about the change of road. I don't really see what there is to consult about on the bus route it was always planned for one and they can't route a bus on a road that isn't built. The current thinking on residential bus stops is to basically us the bus to block traffic and allow pedestrians to cross the road so you tend to get build outs and pinch points rather than laybys. Weather these work in real life is up for debate but that's how it's intended to work on paper.
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Post by reilwell on Oct 19, 2016 21:15:07 GMT
Don't think it would be practical to put entrances out on to highfield spring due the difference in level between the road and site. For one it would take a fair chunk of space to build a ramp down the banking and cost quite a bit two. Secondly it would mean slow lorry's pullong out onto a fast busy road which never ends well. Putting the service road opposite the winter green would cause conflict with the proposed carpark entrance meaning that would more than likely be moved potentially on to Stephenson but at least further down Mitchell therefore bringing visiting traffic further into the estate. The current shape of the development will also mean that the smaller service road will always have to be accessed from Stephenson. Like I said in my previous post the access from Stephenson way is far from ideal but may turn out to simply be the most practical. With the right restrictions in place be that be parking restrictions aimed at the uni and or times when deliveries are allowed which could be written into leases or by putting and over night weight limits on Mitchell and Stephenson things might not be the nightmare the first seam. Going to be honest and say I don't give a fig for what it costs. I've lived here 4 years almost. In that time I've been to the AMRC more times than I can mention to complain. I've contacted the councillor and my mp. I've been on the phone to Duncan while we both watch the cars speeding past. Nothing happens to change it and the bus going down will make this even worse. Add in some bin lorries (did I mention the bins?) and some deliveries and this road is going to be bloody awful. We won't get restrictions because the priority isn't the residents; it's the AMRC so I hope that residents try their best to get this plan changed. You might not care how much it costs but the developers will and they won't pay a penny more than they have to.
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Post by winterfell on Oct 20, 2016 7:07:00 GMT
They ought to come and look at Stephenson Way this morning. Just seen the first near miss of the day. I'm utterly sick of it
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