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Post by Waverley101 on Dec 14, 2016 16:36:59 GMT
Just as my two-cents – but this development seems odd and I don’t think anything will ever come of it.
To date developers on Waverley have been big house builders and we’ve been aware that land had been released and sold to said big developers – this hasn’t happened for this plot. The plot also doesn’t seem to fit with the masterplan – even recent images from the local centre consultation didn’t show this area as housing.
Also The ‘pocket park’ in that form will never be allowed – you would physically have to walk through the car park to access it, but the car park would presumably private property and the idea of public open space hidden at the back of a private car park in an enclosed space like that doesn’t seem right.
The car parking requirement for Waverley is two spaces per home. Even with the comically narrow Harron garage doors that don’t allow a car through the space, there has always been the argument that a garage plus a drive is the two required. Only the apartments have been the exception to this, so to my knowledge no house has yet been built on Waverley that doesn’t provide space for two cars.
Everything about this little plot just seems weird and I cant see it ever being built like this.
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Post by Matt on Dec 14, 2016 19:21:25 GMT
The car parking requirement for Waverley is two spaces per home. Out of interest did that apply to the first phase of Barratt's as I've seen no end of homes up that end that only have one parking space?
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Post by Waverley101 on Dec 14, 2016 20:55:01 GMT
The car parking requirement for Waverley is two spaces per home. Out of interest did that apply to the first phase of Barratt's as I've seen no end of homes up that end that only have one parking space? But they've all got a garage as well don't they? Drive plus garage = 2 spaces I've seen comments from the planners say
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Post by lisa112 on Dec 15, 2016 12:01:43 GMT
quote below from the Rotherham Development Plan document.
C3 DWELLINGS 1. Houses up to Minimum 1 garage and 1 parking space per 3 bedrooms dwelling, or 2 parking spaces. 2. Houses of 4 bedrooms and above - minimum 1 garage and 2 parking spaces per dwelling,or 3 parking spaces. N.B. Normally a 6 m building line will be required for new housing development in order to ensure provision for a minimum 6 m parking space to serve each dwelling. 3. Flats Residents - 1 parking space per flat. (If garages are provided, this is additional to parking space requirements.) Visitors - 1 parking space for every 2 flats.
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Post by Rich on Dec 15, 2016 14:33:59 GMT
quote below from the Rotherham Development Plan document. C3 DWELLINGS 1. Houses up to Minimum 1 garage and 1 parking space per 3 bedrooms dwelling, or 2 parking spaces. 2. Houses of 4 bedrooms and above - minimum 1 garage and 2 parking spaces per dwelling,or 3 parking spaces. N.B. Normally a 6 m building line will be required for new housing development in order to ensure provision for a minimum 6 m parking space to serve each dwelling. 3. Flats Residents - 1 parking space per flat. (If garages are provided, this is additional to parking space requirements.) Visitors - 1 parking space for every 2 flats. The point is not whether it adheres to planning regulations, rather that the regulations are out of date. Do you think that 1 parking space for a 2 bedroom home is enough in 2017? In my immediate vicinity I have; House 1 - 2 adults = 2 cars House 2 - 2 adults, 1 child = 2 cars House 3 - 2 adults = 2 cars House 4 - 2 adults, 1 child = 2 cars House 5 - 2 adults = 2 cars House 6 - 2 adults, 2 children = 2 cars I could go on. Yes, these are generally 4 or 5 bedroom homes but all these families could fit into a 2 bedroom home, yet still require 2 cars to travel to work and get about their business. It's about time planners woke up to this issue and stop living in the past otherwise we'll end up with more streets littered with cars.
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Post by lisa112 on Dec 15, 2016 16:17:16 GMT
I agree. If you can get the Planning Authorities to change the regulations and statutory guidelines to suit current lifestyles, you will be admired by every Architect and Engineer in the area. Unfortunately its all about land mass use, density and profit for the Builders.
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Post by reilwell on Dec 15, 2016 16:29:08 GMT
quote below from the Rotherham Development Plan document. C3 DWELLINGS 1. Houses up to Minimum 1 garage and 1 parking space per 3 bedrooms dwelling, or 2 parking spaces. 2. Houses of 4 bedrooms and above - minimum 1 garage and 2 parking spaces per dwelling,or 3 parking spaces. N.B. Normally a 6 m building line will be required for new housing development in order to ensure provision for a minimum 6 m parking space to serve each dwelling. 3. Flats Residents - 1 parking space per flat. (If garages are provided, this is additional to parking space requirements.) Visitors - 1 parking space for every 2 flats. So the 44 spaces don't meet the requirements then. I read that as these houses should have a minimum of 2 spaces (there's nothing in the list for 2 bed houses so you have to go to the closest which would be a 3 bed)
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Post by lisa112 on Dec 15, 2016 17:48:29 GMT
Generally 1 and 2 bedroom houses are allocated one space each. This is not included in the guideline document which was published in 1999. I will look so see if there is a more recent one or amendment when I am at work tomorrow.
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Post by lisa112 on Dec 15, 2016 17:50:29 GMT
quote below from the Rotherham Development Plan document. C3 DWELLINGS 1. Houses up to Minimum 1 garage and 1 parking space per 3 bedrooms dwelling, or 2 parking spaces. 2. Houses of 4 bedrooms and above - minimum 1 garage and 2 parking spaces per dwelling,or 3 parking spaces. N.B. Normally a 6 m building line will be required for new housing development in order to ensure provision for a minimum 6 m parking space to serve each dwelling. 3. Flats Residents - 1 parking space per flat. (If garages are provided, this is additional to parking space requirements.) Visitors - 1 parking space for every 2 flats. The point is not whether it adheres to planning regulations, rather that the regulations are out of date. Do you think that 1 parking space for a 2 bedroom home is enough in 2017? In my immediate vicinity I have; House 1 - 2 adults = 2 cars House 2 - 2 adults, 1 child = 2 cars House 3 - 2 adults = 2 cars House 4 - 2 adults, 1 child = 2 cars House 5 - 2 adults = 2 cars House 6 - 2 adults, 2 children = 2 cars I could go on. Yes, these are generally 4 or 5 bedroom homes but all these families could fit into a 2 bedroom home, yet still require 2 cars to travel to work and get about their business. It's about time planners woke up to this issue and stop living in the past otherwise we'll end up with more streets littered with cars.
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Post by lisa112 on Dec 15, 2016 17:53:37 GMT
RIch I assume you and your neighbours have garages. How many of you park your cars in them? The houses opposite me have very long drives - sufficient for two cars, but they choose to park their cars on the road. It's just being lazy in these instances.
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Post by chocolatecars on Dec 15, 2016 18:56:41 GMT
Interesting as it says 2 spaces and garage for a 4 bed. Ours is 4 bed and Only have space for 1 car on drive (and yes we use our garage)
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Post by reilwell on Dec 15, 2016 18:59:10 GMT
Generally 1 and 2 bedroom houses are allocated one space each. This is not included in the guideline document which was published in 1999. I will look so see if there is a more recent one or amendment when I am at work tomorrow. So there's a set of guidelines but they don't cover 1&2 bedroom houses and they've not been updated since 1999. Sometimes this country amazes me at how lax it is. Surely though if the guidelines don't cover something you'd default to nearest not just make your own rules up.
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Post by Rich on Dec 15, 2016 22:27:03 GMT
RIch I assume you and your neighbours have garages. How many of you park your cars in them? The houses opposite me have very long drives - sufficient for two cars, but they choose to park their cars on the road. It's just being lazy in these instances. I have a garage and two spaces on the drive. We cannot fit either car through the door, and we don't own Range Rovers. None of the houses that I've mentioned use their garages for their cars. Rightly or wrongly, that's the reality of the situation. People have belongings. Freezers, tumble dryers, bikes, tools, etc. and don't have any alternative means of storing them. Some of the houses on Waverley, particularly Waverley Walk, sacrifice drive space for a nice front garden that no-one can see because cars are parked on pavements blocking them. Some people have even converted their garage into extra living space. I bet it's a very small percentage of people that use their garage to park their cars.
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Post by rachael on Jan 1, 2017 20:15:59 GMT
Just out of interest, did anyone else submit comments for this application? I did send in some thoughts on an e-form but I didn't really give it the attention I probably should have done. Hopefully have said enough to get the planners thinking about a few things, not least the parking/traffic issue and ways to fix it...
Does anyone know what the next stage is and the expected timeframe?
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Post by bags84 on Jan 1, 2017 21:15:09 GMT
My understanding is that this application is a pre app enquiry which is the early stages where initial thoughts/plans are discussed and commented on before they make a formal application.
Normally within a month or so a formal plan is subjected for approval but I guess it depends on what comments have been made/what changes are required and how fast the developer wants to progress.
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