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Post by teddyowner on Nov 11, 2016 7:05:41 GMT
Oak-kay, palm down. Poor bloke only axed a question and the over-elm-ing majority take the pith. I want to go out on a limb and say I'm rooting for him, I wooden normally but he willow me one if I do.
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Post by p99ull on Nov 11, 2016 7:39:03 GMT
Very good!
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Post by graham on Nov 11, 2016 9:06:02 GMT
Hello all,
Some very amusing replies which have had me chuckling at my desk.
I'm very happy to provide further information. I represent a young man in criminal proceedings. He is accused of fraudulently claiming money as part of a grant for planting works at this site. The central issue is whether the trees were ever actually planted. There is a difference between planting trees and the planting being unsuccessful, for whatever reason, and never actually planting the trees in the first place.
I am looking at a specific time period - in and around March 2014.
If anyone can say that, in early 2014, they noticed some baby trees having been planted, it would potentially make a huge difference (hence the importance), and the timescales involved in the case mean there is urgency. I would be very grateful for a quick chat via the details provided in my original post if anyone can help.
Many thanks.
Graham
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Post by Rich on Nov 11, 2016 11:15:34 GMT
If this is genuine, you'd be better off contacting Harworth Estates (Heather) as they would have had to approve the planting of trees.
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Post by graham on Nov 11, 2016 11:31:32 GMT
I'm slightly bemused at the scepticism as to whether the request is genuine or not, which has been repeated a couple of times, but I guess you must have a lot of posters who waste your time. This forum was recommended to me by somebody who works as a dogwalker in the area and anybody, as a couple of the posters have already done, is welcome to look at my firm's website or even give me a ring. It would be a slightly odd prank for somebody to play.
Thank you for the suggestion re Harworth Estates. My client had an agreement with Harworth Estates and I am aware of their ownership of the site. I'm specifically hoping for completely independent members of the community who may have walked in the area and noticed some tree planting going on - perhaps even been bemused as to how the planting had come to nothing...
Thanks
Graham
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Post by p99ull on Nov 11, 2016 12:19:19 GMT
It would be a slightly odd prank for somebody to play. Trust me... some of the posts that have been pranks in the past have been a lot stranger! Check out 'Colin the cardboard copper' or 'Prison being built at waverley' threads. :-) I think the problem you will have, is that Waverley is such a big area, and trees are being planted constantly. I think you would need to give a much more exact location to enable anyone to remember the planting (e.g: trees planted on Bradfield way). However, I wish you well with your quest, and thank you for taking the 'puns' in the spirit in which they were intended :-)
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Post by nightowl on Nov 11, 2016 13:58:56 GMT
I'm slightly bemused at the scepticism as to whether the request is genuine or not, which has been repeated a couple of times, but I guess you must have a lot of posters who waste your time. This forum was recommended to me by somebody who works as a dogwalker in the area and anybody, as a couple of the posters have already done, is welcome to look at my firm's website or even give me a ring. It would be a slightly odd prank for somebody to play. Thank you for the suggestion re Harworth Estates. My client had an agreement with Harworth Estates and I am aware of their ownership of the site. I'm specifically hoping for completely independent members of the community who may have walked in the area and noticed some tree planting going on - perhaps even been bemused as to how the planting had come to nothing... Thanks Graham My sceptacism was purely in relation to your first post which gave no context... beware of strangers asking questions without proper explanation. Your follow up post now gives that context and allows for responses if anyone did witness this. PS im no lawyer but cant he prove he purchased the trees to supply? If you were fraudgelently claiming the grant and were not going to plant anything, then why would you buy the relevent anount of trees unless you were genuine? The company supplying should have records?
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Post by graham on Nov 11, 2016 16:07:12 GMT
Unfortunately we are in this position owing to a lack of proper business records being kept. We have one witness who noticed the trees had been planted, and there is other indirect evidence to suggest the planting took place, but the more witnesses we can obtain the merrier.
I attach an updated map which has been, rather crudely, coloured in. Hopefully it will give a better idea of the area we are referring to.
These were very young trees which were planted and they failed to take. A number of months later there was no sign of them. If anyone noticed some planting having taken place I would be very grateful for a chat.
Many thanks.
Graham
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Post by martsa on Nov 11, 2016 18:36:58 GMT
Unfortunately we are in this position owing to a lack of proper business records being kept. We have one witness who noticed the trees had been planted, and there is other indirect evidence to suggest the planting took place, but the more witnesses we can obtain the merrier.
I attach an updated map which has been, rather crudely, coloured in. Hopefully it will give a better idea of the area we are referring to.
These were very young trees which were planted and they failed to take. A number of months later there was no sign of them. If anyone noticed some planting having taken place I would be very grateful for a chat.
Many thanks.
Graham
Surely, even after a few years, there should still be evidence of tree planting. I mean, any half decent professional would ensure the saplings were protected with a stake and/or plastic protector. I take it someone has already surveyed the area?
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Post by nightowl on Nov 11, 2016 23:46:34 GMT
I dont remember seeing any sign of new trees down there, and i suspect it never happened as the following thread discusses the very topic of tree planting... waverley.proboards.com/thread/225/waverley-woodThis was august 2014, and the chat goes on to talk about potentially planting down by the lakes (in the area youre asking about).... im certain if any trees had been planted a few months earlier then people would have noticed and commented so on this 2014 thread?? Interestingly it also mentions the woodland trust were already involved in a grant (could be your client) BUT as no one on the forum comments that actual planting has happened and this was 6 to 9 months after you said it took place, it doesnt look likely that it ever did happen?
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Post by wilfredofrotherwood on Nov 18, 2016 22:29:17 GMT
Hi I can say that around March 2014 I was conducting lots of research about orgreave, haworth estates, blue man's bower, a day can confirm there were loads, maybe 100s of saplings planted all around the area in red. They were stake to and they were in some sort of tubes but each time our group (were from treeton) visited the trees were fewer in number, some looked like vandalism uprooted, and some looked like they weren't grouping to establish even though they were planted. Some even looked ran over by digger machines of some sort. Maybee hehe big earth movers that move the earth around there. The red area was always changing landscape for around a year before and around six months after. They make paths and plant trees and then change it. Your on about the mound that is comparable in size and shape to Glastonbury Toor and the temple mount in Jerusalem aren't you? The tubes were kicked around all over for a while. I remember come ting how strange they were in 3 inch tubes and not mesh, wondering how they would be removed from the trees in later years as mesh would have been easier, but the trees as I say didn't make it As I say, I was doing my own research on the area about various things. Seems some very nefarious things go on and are associated with this site. Not only now but throughout history. I can vouch there were loads, they were planted around d the time in question, and they didn't last long as I said from various reasons from vandals to digger.
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Post by wilfredofrotherwood on Nov 18, 2016 22:30:11 GMT
Sorry about grammar and Predictive text. No proof read
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Post by stacyxdean12 on Nov 20, 2016 21:45:04 GMT
Some of these trees back in 2014 were planted by local school children as one of them was my son and his school friends and teachers More I formation in why your asking wou do be good please
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